On another note, if your story has explicit material, regardless of what other categories it may include... ONLY place it in the Adult category, especially R and X rated fanfics.
Change of topic: A member asked if this site will replace A Single Spark. This site will NOT replace A Single Spark as this site encompasses at Inu Yasha fanfiction.
--Nile on 19 Aug 2007 9:34:44 PM 14 Comments
I'm pretty sure the reason why is that we have viewers under 17. They may be aware of the world in matters of homosexuality, but remember, some of these members might be supervised occasionally by their parents.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the policy Nile has brought up. If I had a teen in their early, I wouldn't want them to view things like that. It wouldn't matter if it was a far cry from hard core. It is a matter that Nile has to cover her bases. I wouldn't want some parent haranging me about anything.
And we all know how much parents these days are catching their innocent children reading stuff like that. I wouldn't care but it's nice to see those in the Adult section.
I know I would miss the warnings or ratings. So, better than safe than sorry.
I really believe that instead of arguing to have your fanfics allowed to be placed in specific categories, that you remember we do have readers under 17. I have nothing againt Yaoi or Yuri pairings. However, as a moderator, I really do not want a parent emailing me to rant about how their son or daughter stumbled upon material they did not approve of. I have gotten that every so often at A Single Spark. Fortunately, the site gives a rating and also a disclaimer, so I am backed up there.
Here, there are categories and rating... BUT it is important to stick the fanfics in the subject that the story most pertains to. I may consider later on possibly putting an "Other" category in the Romance section. In fact, that may occur sometime this week. When it does, I will move your fics there.
I think it's important to build tolerance in the youngsters. And perhaps, in their parents while doing so. By segregating yaoi/yuri, you aren't going to do that; if anything, you make the gap wider because you show that there's something 'wrong' with it.
It's as beautiful as watching a straight pairing together, falling in love and whatnot. There is such thing as a lemonless yaoi/yuri fic; lemons aren't necessary in advancing a story as we can see from the straight-pairing fics and a few of the yaoi/yuri ones on the net. You can't read 50 fics, find 40 have lemons and disregard the other 10, 'cause it's proof that there are more like it.
I've been reading yaoi/yuri since I was 12 and my mum has only ever encouraged it (if it was in the right rating, mind you; she didn't want me reading NC-17 stuff in general at that age and I respected that); homosexuals are capable of romantic feelings too and they don't show it by having hot, crazy sex all the time. By putting them in 'adult' it's like saying: "Ooo! They're dirty! Shouldn't be like them! Stay away! Taboo, taboo!" Too bad if the kid's homosexual themself. ==; What a way to teach the poor child that their sexuality isn't tolerated.
And 'better safe than sorry'? Do 11-12-13 walk into shops and find MA18+ games they like? Yes. Are they segregated from the other games? No. They have ratings on them and companies trust the kid will respect the rating. If they don't read the rating; it's not the company's fault.
If we're so worried about the youngsters reading explicit material, why not add a birthdate thing to the joining form and automatically filter out all the bad stuff depending on the person's age? And why not make it two user accounts can't have the same email address? Now, if they lie about it, it is definately the kid's fault. You can't be blamed for trusting the users of the site to follow the rules. If they break them, they should be punished, not you.
And if there's a chance the child doesn't know what yaoi/yuri is, why not provide a description of what the categories are for? Just a little: "This category is for romantic relationships between two male or two female characters." And Adult should get one too: "For fics rated NC-17 and above".
Besides all that... Isn't placing a fic under 'adult' and then rating it G just a tinsy-winsy bit contradictory?
You have stated your opinion. I have relayed mine. If you cannot abide by my decision, I recommend seeking other grounds. To expect me to be bulled over would be ridiculous.
I do not want to put a general form up like AFFnet. That is their decision and I respect theirs, as you should respect others despite any opposition to your own opinion.
A couple of your fanfics have been moved to Romance> Other. One was placed in the General category (the one with the ramen cup) as it was not a yaoi in any way. 'Other' categories are subject to become main categories depending on popularity in the future.
I think you took my comment with the wrong tone. Like you said, I was just stating my opinion, though it really does bother me how people seperate the pairing types. I was just making suggestions, that way we'd all feel welcome and comfortable.
Can't say I've been on AFFnet. I'm too young and my parents built a conscious made of stone in me; I can't lie to save my life. So, on the 29th of September I'll be signing up; it'll be my first act as a legal adult! *thumbs up*
Ah, it's all a subject to opinion. I find that the Ramen Cup fic is yaoi (or shounen ai, as it were) because I doubt Inuyasha would allow Sesshomaru near his ramen unless something was going on. Nor would he feed him. I can't ever see them being civil otherwise (or civil, even if they are, stubborn gits). ==;
"And 'better safe than sorry'? Do 11-12-13 walk into shops and find MA18+ games they like? Yes. Are they segregated from the other games? No. They have ratings on them and companies trust the kid will respect the rating. If they don't read the rating; it's not the company's fault."
Indeed, that's true. Even if they are behind the adult category, curiousity will be sparked for some yet others will stay clear. Hell, even I was curious to what these were and have been sucked into the yaoi and yuri fandom as well and I love it
I for one wouldn't even care if they read adult material. Personally, I'd rather let them see it since they're bound to read it either way. That's how I viewed it when I saw rated R and NC-17 stories around the net and just shrugged it off. My parents found out and they weren't really bothered by it. We have to keep in mind though that not all parents are the same.
Heh, I just reread my post up there and I may sound hypocritical, or something which happens when I think about something more >>;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi
With this site, Yaoi will remain to be an adult category and specifically pointed to erotic interaction between 2 or more males.
Anything else will be considered general.
I will revise this and put this in the site FAQ that I have been putting together.
But I think we need to face the facts here, there are a lot of members of the older generation who do not support it. By older generation, I mean not mine. my parents are baby boomers, so that's probably a good description. I think as the younger generation gets older we'll see more tolerance, but not until then.
It got me thinking back to when I was under 17, and I have to be honest, I think at that age i'd have been shocked if I read something Yaoi, or NC-17, and I'm not that old, I'm only 25. But I lived such a sheltered life in a Catholic school that doesn't promote either.
So, while I love Lupi's fics because they are beautifully written, I think Nile is acting in an appropriate and responsible manner. If they're clearly labeled as adult, then it reduces the chances of somebody young reading them when they're not supposed to. and then if they want to take that chance when its labelled as adult, and the parent gets upset and e-mails Nile, she can safely say 'they're labeled under adult and I put up a warning saying you must be this age, it was your child acting in an irresponsible manner, I've done my part'
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Er, if you don't mind my asking; why under adult?
Isn't it possible to just place them alongside the straight pairings? Why not just place a subcategory under romance saying 'Yaoi/Yuri' and leave adult as adult? As you said, we're not dealing with only adult stuff here, so why make it seem like we are?
I was just wondering...